Kristine 0:08

Oh, hey, it's Carrie and Christine. Oh. Welcome

Carrie 0:11

to two Babes Book Club. episode one of the two Babes Book Club

Kristine 0:16

is here. Wow. Well, we, yeah, a long time coming.

Carrie 0:20

It has been.

Kristine 0:20

This is fun. It is fun. So we read our first book and we're so excited to just dive

Carrie 0:25

right in. We are. So we read The Happy Place by Emily Henry, if you haven't read it or you don't want spoilers, do not continue this episode. Come back when you read it. Um, if you have read it, welcome. If you haven't read it and you don't plan to, but you wanna listen to us talk. Welcome. Yeah, we're so excited. We are so excited. This book was really enjoyable for me, so I'm super excited to, um, talk about it.

Kristine 0:51

Same here. I really enjoyed it, so I actually just finished it yesterday. That's so great. So it's like fresh in my mind,

Carrie 0:57

which is really nice. Which is kind of nice. I, I mean, I've finished it a week ago, so I'm not that far out. Yeah. But far enough out that, um, I had to do a little quick recap for myself of some names. So, The Happy place is about a couple Harriett and Wynn, and they were the perfect couple together and they broke up and decided not to tell their friend group. Mm-hmm. And then, um, they went on an annual trip with this friend group of theirs. Six different, there's six of them total in Maine. They go to A cottage and it's the last time they get to go to this cottage 'cause it's being sold. So they, they feel obligated to go to this, um, on this trip and pretend they're a couple so that they can maintain this lake. Happy facade for everybody. Yes. Yeah, that's right. And one of the couples is actually getting married, um, on this weekend, which is another reason why they're there. So they felt even more obligated to keep up the, the ruse, if you will. It was so good. It was so good. I loved every bit of it. Me too. I loved it. Me too. So, um, I think this was your first Emily Henry book? Yes. Okay. I've read a couple, I always enjoy her books. I find them very like, they, they make you warm and fuzzy.

Kristine 2:10

Yeah. when Carrie and I were talking about it the other day, I said it was like a warm hug. I felt just happy the entire time and. I was just content with it. It gave me like happy vibes and want them to have a good life vibes. Mm-hmm. And I was very invested.

Carrie 2:29

Me too, in their lives. I

Kristine 2:31

loved all the characters too. Every single one of them, I felt like I was, um, friends with them. Mm-hmm. And I had to like remind myself that. It's like book

Carrie 2:39

characters. She did such a good job. Such a good job. Yeah. So if you haven't read any of other, any other of Emily Henry's books, I very much recommend it because they're all kind of, um, they all kind of have that feel good. Mm-hmm. Vibe, vibe to them. Good. I that's fluffy. I call them like beach reads. Yeah, fair enough. One of her books actually is called Bee Read. Oh, I like that. I think that's what it's called. Bee Read. Yeah, I think so. Okay.

Kristine 3:03

you have a list of questions? I

Carrie 3:04

do, yeah. The publisher questions. Why don't we dive right into that? Let's start. Okay. Before the events of the book, Harriet and Wind's friend group has had a pretty seamless experience traveling together. What would you look for in an ideal travel partner and have you ever taken a trip that put your relationship to the test? I

Kristine 3:22

don't, I don't think I've ever taken it. Trip where it put relationship on me either to test me. I mean, Jay's gets really stressed out in security, so sometimes I wanna like punch him, but yeah, I don't, yeah. Um, but no, which is so funny. He gets really overwhelmed. It gets a little stressed out at security, but no, I, I don't think so. But what I look for in a travel buddy, it's you. Yeah. Um, we've always traveled really well. You and I just like know. We can go through the motions of like airport really well. Mm-hmm. We're. Um, we're going on a, a road trip soon and I know that that's just gonna be just as seamless. Yeah. Or I anticipate it to just be just as seamless. We would hope, um, because we uh, well obviously we get along very well. Yeah. And we have a lot of similarities and Yeah. Both relaxed and just chill. And I think that's kind of what I look for, I

Carrie 4:13

guess. Yeah, me too. What about you? So. I mean, I agree with everything you said, with you and I traveling together. Mm-hmm. But we also travel together really well, like as couples. Yes. And I think one of the keys with how we travel is we like doing the same things, but we also don't need each other. Mm-hmm. To hold each other's hands. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like we can go, yeah. If you guys feel like doing something and we don't, it's like, okay.

Kristine 4:38

Yeah. That's cool. That's lovely. Yeah. And that has happened and we we're totally okay with it.

Carrie 4:43

Yeah. So I look for someone that is, doesn't need handholding, because I don't wanna have to go on a trip and feel obligated to like, Have an itinerary the whole time to make sure that the people I'm with are entertained. Yeah. I don't like that. Like I would hope you, you can keep yourself entertained. I don't like that either, because that just stresses me out and puts pressure on me. Same. And I don't want that.

Kristine 5:03

Yeah. I don't like, I don't want to have to check in on you to make sure that you're having a good

Carrie 5:08

time. No. Like you should be able to make your own fun. We're just here together to be together.

Kristine 5:12

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. A hundred percent. Yeah. Agreed.

Carrie 5:15

Okay. Have you had a close relationship that spanned different phases of your life and how, if at all, did those relationships change with time? That's,

Kristine 5:26

yeah. I mean, 'cause we've been friends for forever, so Yeah. I a hundred percent agree. We've, things have changed over time. I mean, we've gone through being single together. We've gone through. Other previous relationships together. We've also gone through getting married and having children and like mm-hmm. And then working together and owning a business together. So we've gone through so many different phases of life phases and I, there's definitely been changes. I think for the better. I mean, sometimes I wish I like not, I wish. Mm-hmm. But like sometimes, you know, when you think like you could go in the past and live your life as a 20 something year old, you know? Mm-hmm. But I wouldn't

Carrie 6:08

change it. No, me either. No. So, yeah. And I've had friendships that have ended during phases of my life too. Totally. A hundred percent. Especially when I had kids, I found that's when the most, most of my old relationships fizzled away. Yes. And some of them picked back up again when my friends had kids. Isn't that weird how that that happens? Yeah. And some of them didn't. Little bizarre. And that's okay. Totally. I think that's okay. Nick and I definitely lost quite a few friends that we spent a lot of time with once we had kids, which is interesting. It's

Kristine 6:38

weird why It's weird how that happens. Yeah. And I don't really understand why, like I know there's, your focus is obviously on your family now. Mm-hmm. So it's a little bit different, but. It suck. It does suck sometimes. Yeah,

Carrie 6:51

it does. And that's kind of what I loved in this book. Mm-hmm. Is they were all at different phases of their life, obviously. Yeah. And they kind of all came to the realization. I liked the realization that Yeah, not everything has to stay the same. Yes. You know, same. They kind of went through that progression. Yeah. Where Sabrina wanted so badly to hold on, to hold on to things staying the same when everyone else was changing and growing. Yeah. And it kind of causes. You to grow apart if you don't embrace the changes.

Kristine 7:21

Right. And yeah, embrace it, accept it, grow with it. Yeah. Like you, you, then it just forces you to fall apart. Yes. But if you accept it and be proud of that change

Carrie 7:34

that's coming. Yeah. And I understand nostalgia too, and I love totally love. There's some things that I like I'm totally nostalgic about and I'm totally getting into a routine. But you also have to remember like they did, if things are changing, you just have to roll with it. Absolutely. They had, they did the same like six things that they've done every other trip, and everyone's like, why are we doing this? Yes. Like when they went to the movie. Oh,

Kristine 7:56

yeah. And Cleo. And she was like, I don't wanna go. Like, yeah, we've been doing this over and over again. Yeah. Like, I don't wanna spend my last week at the cottage in a MO in movie theater for four hours and I'm not actually gonna talk to you. Yep. And I totally a hundred percent understood that and actually was very much on her side

Carrie 8:14

for that. Me too. That part I, it's one of the reasons why. I am not someone who opts to do movie dates. Yeah, fair enough. Because I love watching a movie, don't get me wrong. I just, I hate that in a movie theater, you lose two hours of like spending time with someone. Yeah. Because I don't find sitting and watching a movie the same as like spending quality time. Fair enough. Yeah. You're sitting next to each other. Yeah. So I always opt to do like dinner or coffee or whatever. Yeah. Or if I'm gonna watch a movie. I like watching at home because, Yeah, you can take those moments

Kristine 8:45

totally. I like, I do like going to the movies and mm-hmm. Whatever. And, um, having that, that date night also, but it has to be something that we're very much into. Yeah, that's fair. At that moment. Mm-hmm. Because of the conversation that it brings later. Yeah. Um, however, I'm not a person to spend four hours in the theater. God no. So, I was, when that was going on. I was like, and uh, Cleo did not want to, yeah. I said, no, like, I'm with you girlfriend. Get outta there. And I hated that they all went, ended up going and

Carrie 9:18

they just went anyways, even though none of them wanted to go. Yeah. And I

Kristine 9:21

hated that 'cause I, somebody just needs to stand up and say,

Carrie 9:27

Hey. Nah,

Kristine 9:29

nah. Yeah. Nah, I don't wanna do

Carrie 9:31

it. Nah. Um, I have a question. Did anyone else know that Cleo was pregnant? Pretty much the whole book.

Kristine 9:38

I had no fucking clue. I knew a viol to swear on this podcast. Yeah.

Carrie 9:42

Oh yeah. Still two babes. Okay. You're just making sure. Still two babes. Just 'cause we're, we think we're fucking fancy and literary doesn't mean we can't swear.

Kristine 9:52

Good taste. No, I, I absolutely had no clue. Yeah. I really thought they were just invested in the farm and that they were busy and they kept saying how, like, they were waking up super early and they were in bed at nine o'clock and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, Sabrina, like, piss off here. Mm-hmm. Give them some time. They just like, they're. In deep in this farm. Farming is hard. Not that I've ever had an experience in that. Yeah. But farming is hard. Give them some grace and when the time comes, you can come visit. I was really irritated with her when she was getting a little sour. Yeah. With the two girls. I was like, just fucking relax girl. Just chill. Just chill. And then boom. Pregnancy alert? Yes. I

Carrie 10:37

had no idea. Yeah. So I kind of had an inkling. I mean, they talked about how she didn't drink, but she had stopped drinking a like quite a while before that. Yeah. So I was like, okay. But then she didn't wanna partake in the edibles. Mm-hmm. And then she was very against the tattoo. Yes. And it just every time I was like, mm-hmm. Yeah, no, she's pregnant idea. Either thought she's idea pregnant or really sick. But I assumed pregnancy. I didn't think we were going to some like dark place. Yeah.

Kristine 11:04

Yeah. I had no idea. I was

Carrie 11:06

really surprised. And I think the, the only reason that I think Sabrina's, the fact that she was so upset, all stemmed from the fact that she knew the entire time that they weren't together. Yeah, definitely. So I think she had a lot of frustration. Oh, definitely. Because her best friends weren't telling her the truth. Right. The whole time. The whole time in she, but like they all knew the whole, like they all had secrets the whole time. Yeah. All six of them. And like

Kristine 11:31

as people do in of course, right. Like it. That happens. But Sabrina just was not accepting. No. She did not wanna accept that. No, no. That she wasn't part of it all. She wants to know. She was

Carrie 11:43

so cute when she did find out. Oh yes. Very sweet. So I'll give it to her. Yes. But yeah. Yeah. She

Kristine 11:49

really wanted to stay in the nostalgic Yeah. Phase

Carrie 11:53

of her life. And I get it because Totally. It, it probably, I mean, it was definitely a part of their life where she probably. Enjoyed, like, had so much fun and mm-hmm. Wasn't sure what the next phase was gonna bring. So she was holding on so tight, but like, girl. Yeah. 'cause it can

Kristine 12:09

be, it's scary growing, not just growing up, but just growing as a person. Yeah. Sometimes it can be really scary and she wanted to hold on what she was comfortable with. Mm-hmm. And so I totally get it. I did relate with that for sure. Yes, me too. Um, I, and I did feel. Not bad for her, but I felt, I felt for her. Mm-hmm. Wanting to stay in that phase. However, I was

Carrie 12:33

like, but that's the, that's the thing I find most is if you actually have a genuine friend mm-hmm. They'll, like, they're gonna embrace your changes as they totally come. It's not gonna push you apart. No. The, the, the, the lying in the steaming wheel though. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Um, this is actually a good question. Do you tend to avoid conflict or face it head on? Has this changed over time? If so, why?

Kristine 12:59

I like to avoid everything. I absolutely, related to Harriett Yes. In so many ways. Yes. Um, because she doesn't like to talk about her feelings. Um, and that's one of the hardest things for me. And I absolutely 110% try to avoid conflict as much as possible. So I end up swallowing things and it's just mm-hmm. Then, and then it feels like it's too far gone and then bringing it back up is like the worst thing in the world because then. You know, it's like a lie. Not like not. Mm-hmm. It's not a lie, but that's how lies go, right? Yes. Like the longer you lie, the worse it is. Right? Exactly. So I feel like once you swallow your feelings and how you actually feel, it's harder to bring up and it's just Yeah. Even

Carrie 13:48

harder to fix. The worst part for me is 'cause that can completely relate is it's one of those things that sits like a weight on your shoulders forever. Yeah. And then once you finally do deal with it or do talk about it, you're like, well, that

Kristine 14:01

wasn't so bad.

Carrie 14:02

Wow. Yeah. Like as if we couldn't have just like had this conversation a year ago Yeah. Or whatever, six months ago. And I didn't have to walk around this with this like weight. Yeah. Dangling over me forever. It's

Kristine 14:15

um, we've recently had a conversation, we're setting a boundary of. Not discussing things that happened maybe a week ago. Yeah. Or like 10 days ago because it's been gone. Yeah. It's digestive.

Carrie 14:27

cause we should have, we should deal with them head on head when it happens. Head on. Exactly. So has this changed over time? No, but we're working on it. Yes,

Kristine 14:35

totally. Yeah. Because a hundred percent I,

Carrie 14:37

I am totally one of those people. I hate rehashing old shit because it's so far gone, but like how easy is it to come out? So easy? So like you gotta deal with that shit when it happens. Yeah. Because otherwise it's just like this perpetual cycle of shit.

Kristine 14:51

Yeah. And then I'm a person like Harriet. Yeah. Yeah. 'cause it just makes things worse. Yeah. And you do end up pushing people away. Yeah, totally. So it I 100% related to Harriet on so

Carrie 15:04

many different levels. Oh God. When everyone's like, why didn't you tell us? Why did you avoid it? Well, 'cause if you don't talk about it, it's not real. Yeah, exactly. A hundred percent. If you don't talk about the issue, it didn't happen. It didn't happen

Kristine 15:16

totally

Carrie 15:16

because it. Soon as they would've talked about that breakup. Mm-hmm. Then they're broken up. Yes. But if you don't talk about it.

Kristine 15:23

Yeah. And I totally understand her and Wyn and how they didn't want to mess with their relationship with their other friends and they were such a mm-hmm. Close knit group that, um, They don't wanna hurt their other, their friends. Yeah. So by not talking about it is just mm-hmm. You still had, you were still able to hold onto that relationship in every, with everybody in every aspect. Yeah.

Carrie 15:46

cause everyone else thought you were still together. Yep. So your relationship hasn't changed with them. Yep. I spoke to

Kristine 15:51

my soul. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've never lied about a, or like No fabbed about a relationship before. No,

Carrie 15:58

but I understood it. I've never had anything that big Yeah. That I just bottled up and kept to myself. Yeah. But, Things.

Kristine 16:06

Yeah. Wild times. It is wild times. It was, it was

Carrie 16:09

a good book though. Yeah. I loved it. Um, who, uh, well, we kind of just talked about this, but who out of this friend group do you most relate to and who do you least relate to? So, Harriet.

Kristine 16:19

Yeah. Harriet.

Carrie 16:20

100%. Yeah. And a little, a little bit of Sabrina for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. I have my own Sabrina in me. Fair enough. A lot of the, like when she made everybody like the itinerary and shit, I was like, love that. I did love the itinerary. Did you, did you make that an excel? Because it really brought me joy.

Kristine 16:40

Yeah. That was really funny. Yeah. But I

Carrie 16:41

do like it. Yeah. Yeah. And, and the, the want and desire to hold onto to things that you are nostalgic for. Yeah, I get that too. Yes, totally. And like the routine of like,

Kristine 16:54

I, uh, I a hundred percent agree with that. I think for myself, there was definitely bits and pieces of Sabrina mm-hmm. The nostalgic portion. Mm-hmm. But I, I feel like I related a lot to Perth. Oh yeah. Yeah. Just like the, the friendly guy who really wants to make all the friends in the world. Yes. And just wants to be around. Yes. I guess much as I do talk about being nervous all the time or, you know, but I do. I'm just a, I don't know. I wanna be around the people still. Yeah. I just don't want to talk about myself at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. So I did, I related a lot, I think with Perth. Um, a little bit of Sabrina and then most absolutely.

17:33

Harriett,

Carrie 17:34

Harriet, and Cleo was, is the complete polar opposite of me. Um, because she's just that like super laid back, doesn't care if she's like mm-hmm. She doesn't care if like, she doesn't get fomo. She's like, whatever. Yeah, no.

Kristine 17:48

Yeah, I

Carrie 17:49

would say that I, I'm not go with the flow. I'm not like laid back. Whatever happens, happens. Kind of gal. Same. I also don't like missing out on things. Yeah. Like, no, same, I would say I, I also could never be the sober one in my group of drunk friends over and over again, have absolutely

Kristine 18:04

not. Nope. Absolutely. Could you imagine being sober on Friday? No.

Carrie 18:08

No, no, no, no, no. So, yeah. I, I would've had to have been under the influence of something relatable. Okay. If you were, this is, this question's kind of dumb, but I'm gonna ask anyways. If you were to take an annual trip to the same place, where would you go and who would you go with?

Kristine 18:28

Okay. I would go to Maui and I would go with, um, my friends Nick and Carrie. Yeah. Uh, I would also go to Bang. Yeah. With Nick and Carrie and you know, might as well throw some Disneyland in there too.

Carrie 18:41

Yeah. Okay. So we do do this. Um, we are those people, but there's only four of us. Well, I guess there's six of us with the kids, but there's only four adults. Yeah. And we do take annual trips. Yeah. And I do love them. Me too.

Kristine 18:52

I would never stop. No. And I like that we have a rhythm with it, you know? Yeah. Like we very much incorporate family time. Mm-hmm. Even though we're all together. Yeah. Um, and I love that we overlap or have been overlapping Disneyland. Yeah. So like that's really nice. Um, and then, And like, I don't know. I think it's great the

Carrie 19:17

way we do it. And then Vegas we're just like attached at the hip attached.

Kristine 19:20

Very much attached at the hip. Yeah. Yeah. But like, like you said earlier, if you guys wanted to go do something different Yeah. We wouldn't be offended. No. 'cause we'll just go do something different that we enjoy. But we probably wouldn't do that. No, probably not. No. Especially like in Vegas. Probably not, but, but it's nice that there's a Disneyland. Like if you guys are like, well we're gonna do this one family time. Yeah. Finally trip this time, like,

Carrie 19:40

cool. And like we're, I'm not someone who's scared to say that either. Yeah. Be like, nah, nah.

Kristine 19:47

I love that we're bringing Na back. No, yeah,

Carrie 19:49

me too. It's the best. Um, okay. So much of Harriet's journey is about deciding whether to let go of a dream that no longer excites her, despite all the time and energy she had already invested in it. Was there ever a time in your life when you had to make a decision like this? Did you make the same choice Harriet did or did you decide to see it through?

Kristine 20:10

That's tough one. Yeah.

Carrie 20:12

So I'll, I'll start, go for it. And then you can think. So for me, I went through six years of school. Yeah. Because I wanted to be an accountant and I wanted to work in accounting. Yeah. Obviously I don't do that. Um, I was, I had worked for the same company for probably like six years and it did not excite me at all. But I felt bad. Not just the time, the energy, but like, The insane amount of money my parents spent to put me through school. And I was like, no, no. Like I just didn't, I love parts of accounting, but I did not want it to be my career for the rest of my life. And I felt very stuck because I had spent six years going to school. Mm-hmm. And I had spent six years at a job like working my way. Up, I guess. Yeah. And then I didn't like it. That's fair. And I, I mean, obviously going to medical school and being a doctor is a lot more intense. I can't say that it's the same level. Yeah. But same, same concept. A hundred percent. It was. Yeah. So did you make the same choice? She did. Yep. Did you decide to see it through? I, I did not. I do not account anymore. I do not do that. Fair. And yeah. And I can't say that that was a waste because I have a lot of knowledge that I'm able to bring into. I was owning a business, was gonna say, yeah, definitely wasn't a waste. I don't think any education is a waste. Um, the whole time I was reading the book, I was like, why don't you like, you don't like surgery? Why don't you like, Become a like a family doctor, open a little family doctor's office in the small town or something. Yeah, maybe she does. Maybe in my mind, that would be what I would do. Totally. Something that you know, is less, have a little bit, yeah. Is more like nine to five doctoring versus all our, I couldn't do that. I. Yeah. All hours of the night. No, that was, yeah,

Kristine 22:09

that's a little crazy. But like, and the people who do love it. Mm-hmm. And stick that out.

Carrie 22:15

Like stick for you. Yeah. 'cause that's, that's intense. No, I, I just, I think it would be like, Being a surgeon or that level of anything. I am, I'm one of those people that I really appreciate my free time. Mm-hmm. And I really, I just don't believe in working yourself so hard that you don't get to enjoy what you do. Like, enjoy the money you make or enjoy the life you create. So I couldn't imagine missing out on so much time with my friends and family. Yeah. Because I was always at the hospital

Kristine 22:45

and she was trying to, she was, she was trying to do this job. To prove to her parents that she was. Mm-hmm. Right. So like I totally understood when she said like, I don't wanna do this. Mm-hmm. Like, this is not, I'm doing it for you and that's the wrong reason. Yeah. I need to do something for myself when she's, so when she said that, like out loud Yeah. I was like, standing ovation girlfriend. That's so big to recognize. Yeah. I don't know for myself, so I have no idea. I, I did go to school and I just, and I said, nah. And I mean, that was a big waste of money. Mm-hmm. Uh, also, uh, can't really use that education for anything. Right. So, I don't know. I, that's probably one thing. Mm-hmm. But I don't know. Not to

Carrie 23:36

that level. Not to that level. That's fair. That's a big, that's a big,

Kristine 23:40

yeah, that's a big one. It's a big one. Yeah. Very big.

Carrie 23:44

Do you have a happy place? Is it an actual happy place and experience a person? Has it remained the same over the years or does it change? That's a really good

Kristine 23:52

question. That is a good question. Um, so I have two. Yeah. Um, happy place. Maybe three. Um, I love being in Maui just makes me feel very relaxed and like calm. Mm-hmm. Um, when I was a kid, whenever something was, um, some, if we were going through something, I would always remember when I saw it. The Lion King in, in the movie theater and like that was a happy moment for me. Mm-hmm. Um, I will, and like I still will sometimes go back to that. Like I can see it being in the theater with my family and it was a very happy mm-hmm. Moment. Mm-hmm. And so like, if I have a hard time, I'll just try to like think of that. Yeah. And it really truly does calm me down. So happy memory. That's one of 'em. Mm-hmm. Um, and but happy place, I would say Maui and Disneyland is, yeah. The two places that really like mm-hmm. Bring me so much joy. Mm-hmm. And Vegas too. But it's just, I'm mean, it's different state of mind. Yeah. It's a different kind of happy place, different

Carrie 24:55

kind of happy, yeah. Yeah, mine's definitely Maui. Yeah. For lots of reasons. Yeah. Um, one because you grew up there. Yeah. It, so you talk about happy memories. All of my happiest memories of are there, of being a child, are there mm-hmm. Young adult. They're adult. Adult there. Yeah. Like all of my memories are there. Um, When I was younger, so the first time I went to Maui, I was 18 months old and we went with my grandparents and my mom and dad. And so all of my trips in my youth were with my parents. And then my grandparents came a lot as well. So I have lots of really important memories with them. Mm-hmm. Um, 'cause they're no longer around. So those are big ones and like, The beach that we go to still to this day is the beach where I used to go with my grandparents. Yeah. Um, there was this huge rock at the end of the beach. It's gone now. Um, the water kind of took it away eventually, but my grandma, I, I like, can still envision her laying on it and sun tanning. Oh, that's cute. Like, love that. I can still think about it. Yeah. And it's at the far, it was at the far end of the beach. It's gone. It was a huge lava rock, but, um, Eventually the water, just like the tide took it away. It was just crazy. It was gone. But yeah, so Maui for me is one of, definitely one of my happy place. Mm-hmm. It is my happy place because it just like, I can, if I close my eyes and I think hard enough, I can smell it. Yeah, totally. And you know, it's just, I've been there with all my favorite people mm-hmm. In my life. Yeah. Like I, you know, I went when I like with my grandparents and my aunt and uncle went with us once and my parents went with us and, um, Like my ex-boyfriend came with us once. Yeah. Like we went on, he came on a couple trips with my family and Nick and I, like we started going there when we kind of, right after we first started dating and we spent a month there after I graduated from university, before I started my job. And that was my favorite trip I think. Oh, that's nice. And you know, you guys have come with us and my in-laws have been there, so like, All my favorite people. Yeah. And like Brooke's been going there since she was two months old. Yeah. So that's my happy place. Yeah, absolutely. Also, my happy place is anywhere where Nick is. Oh, that's nice. He's my, that's, he's like romantic and it's not really NICE's, it's not like the romance side. He just, he's like, he's like my anchors. He's my anchor Totally. For like everything. Yeah. Like if he's not around, I feel very like, you know.

Kristine 27:23

Aw. That was really sweet. It was really

Carrie 27:26

sweet. Yeah. Like he just, he's, he's my person that makes me like, feel grounded. Grounded. Yeah. Totally. Like if there's anything that's like hectic in my life, I can always count on him. 'cause he's very unbothered by most things.

Kristine 27:39

He can bring you down. Yeah. Yeah. That's really nice. Mm-hmm. I, I, I get that a hundred percent. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That was really nice. Oh, thanks. But it is, like you said, not even the romantic part, but it is. Yeah. 'cause like there's been so many. Date nights. Yeah. And like so many things that have happened out there with the two of you. Yeah. Even that I've witnessed Yeah. Like being out there with you guys and it is like a very romantic place that mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. Even our sunset, um, dates Yeah. That we have with our family. Yeah. When we go and see it is like, yeah. It's a very special place. So special. So like, I totally, so special. I get it. Ugh. I love it there. Yeah. Mm. That was a good

Carrie 28:20

question. Very, very good. It was a good one. That one really brought out the feelers. It really

Kristine 28:24

did. It really did.

Carrie 28:27

So at the beginning of the book, Harriett is really living for the weekend, so to speak. So, um, She's spending all of her work times like waiting for her happy times, I guess. Mm-hmm. So do you ever experience that and what are some ways you find joy and purpose in your day-to-day life when things are crazy? I, I

Kristine 28:47

think that's probably true for most people. Agreed. Because life is just really hectic for everybody. And I find that is, it's not like how it used to be. Everybody is rushing. Mm-hmm. And everybody is like just mm-hmm. Really pushing to get to that Yes. End line of the week. Yes. Um, So yes, I think I absolutely experience it pretty much every week, but like, just 'cause life is crazy and we do so much. Yeah. And like we work a lot and we've got busy lives outside of it. So Yes. For myself. Yes. Um, and then, what was the second part of

Carrie 29:22

the question? What are some ways you find joy and purpose in your day-to-day life, day-to-day, day. Hmm. What, what is that? What is joy?

Kristine 29:32

Well, um, a really big one, especially with working, um, our insiders group gives me like, So much more purpose. Yes. Um, because there's so much positive feedback mm-hmm. From people, uh, feeling positive about themself. Um, and they say like, you know, they feel great in an outfit, and it's like, holy crap. Like, yes, they got that from us, like we gave, gave them that joy and that feels really good. Um, and then just for myself, I need to remember that I am here for a purpose. Mm-hmm. Am doing something good. Um, I'm gonna see and I'll cry. That's fine. I, so I'm doing something good. Um, and that, that I went through so much crap in my life that I act like now I'm here. And it, it feels really good to kind of show that off. Yeah. Um, to people who, to my face told me that I wasn't going to go very far. Yeah. So just being here gives me joy and purpose. Joy. Yeah. Um, and then, I mean, the things I do on the side for myself, like running feels really freaking good

Carrie 30:43

Yeah. So there's

Kristine 30:45

that. Yeah. Yeah. It's And my family. Yeah,

Carrie 30:49

for sure. Push is like the push. Yeah, for sure. Mm-hmm. I find it really interesting, um, the like shift in mindset. Mm-hmm. Pre and post covid. Yeah. Um, before it was so normal to like run yourself to a ragged point where you were like, I. Crazy. And then we had, we were kind of forced to take an interesting step back for a year or six months, and you kind of had that chance to evaluate what was actually important and what was actually like valid. Mm-hmm. And then now sometimes when I find myself getting like really burnt out or working too much, I'm like, Why, why are we doing this? Yeah. Like what is the reason? Take a step back. Like it doesn't have to be like this. And I know sometimes my mom will be having a conversation. She's like, well, when your dad and I were running our business, sometimes I'm like, it is not 1989 anymore. Yeah. Like, like I am not going to work my entire life to not enjoy my life outside of work. Totally like. If I am going to work this fucking hard from nine to five every day and then and then some. I am absolutely going to enjoy my free time. And we

Kristine 32:07

are really young. Yes, we're really young. I said that the other day and we have this amazing thing going for us. So to not enjoy that time. Mm-hmm. Being young while running our business Yes. Would be such a waste.

Carrie 32:23

Yes.

Kristine 32:25

We gotta celebrate it. Yeah. And celebrate us for being young. Mm-hmm. And mm-hmm. Full of life still. Yeah. I have, and I mean, like, we will be full of life when I, when we're 60, 70. Of course. Of course. Because I know that we'd be party rocking. We will be when we

Carrie 32:39

are that age. Yeah. Especially with the No dying pact.

Kristine 32:42

Well, yes. Yeah. Naturally. Um, so being young and having that this time and recognizing this, I think is a really cool cool it thing that we've got going on's.

Carrie 32:54

It is. I just think it's so important. Mm-hmm. And I've had people be like, God, you travel a lot, Uhhuh. Yeah. That brings me the utmost joy. Yeah. Because it would be complete craziness for us to work as much as we do to like not have time to travel. Yeah. Like, no,

Kristine 33:12

no, it's no,

Carrie 33:13

it's an no for me. It's a no for me. Yeah. So that's why I really related to that part of her where she was just like so burnt out and and stopped. Mm-hmm. Because she didn't even have an opportunity to enjoy anything she was accomplishing. Exactly. She was literally just accomplishing it to

Kristine 33:29

accomplish it. She kind of turned into a robot. Yeah. 'cause she was just doing Absolutely. She was just going with emotions, doing the job. And she

Carrie 33:35

hated it. She hated it. And she was scared to tell anyone she hated it. And that sucks. Especially like, You know, she didn't even wanna tell her best friends or her or her fiancee fiance. Yeah. But she hated it because she was so worried, what everyone was gonna think about it and like mm-hmm. Yeah, it's tough. She had such a cool, cool growth throughout the book and really like really good revelation. Agreed. Yeah.

Kristine 34:00

I love this book. It was so

Carrie 34:01

good. I could reread it. Yeah, it was good. It was really good. Yeah. Really cute. Very happy. Very happy with the way it went. So we wanna know what you guys thought of the book. Um, please write us on Instagram. We, now that we've talked about these questions, we are gonna post them. Yes. So you have a chance to write to us. We probably won't put the question box 'cause it doesn't give you guys enough. Space to write the reply, but you can always write a message at the bottom. Yep. And then we'll be sharing some of the responses on our stories as well. Mm-hmm. Going forward. So,

Kristine 34:31

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Carrie 34:37

crop out your name and then just put the

Kristine 34:39

message. Yeah. Because there were some, there were some hot questions in there. Yeah. Whew. Yeah, it was really good. Well, we loved it. We, we did. We're excited

Carrie 34:47

for the next book. Five Outta Five for that one. Yeah, absolutely. Five out of five Babe Stars. Oh, babe

Kristine 34:54

Stars. Yeah. Let's keep that a thing. Yeah. Good job. Oh, where's the button? Oh, shit.

Carrie 35:04

Oh, did I first try? Woo. Ah, wow. Killed it with that first book.

Kristine 35:10

Pee Me.

Carrie 35:13

Yeah. Um, so Christine is the, the picker Picker for book number two. Yeah. For the September book. So she is going to let you guys know what that is. Um, I found it on Kindle and Cobo. I also found you can order it on Indigo if you want a paper copy. Also, most libraries have a, like a hard copy of the books. Um, I was actually able to take the ebook out from the library already because it's Oh good. If there was no wait, so that's really nice too. Um, for sure. Strathcona County Library had a couple copies you could take out and we only have one of them. Christine and I share it. Yeah,

Kristine 35:50

yeah, we sure do. Okay, so the next book is The Perfect Marriage by Geneva Rose. Geneva. Geneva. So Sarah Morgan is, is a successful and powerful defense attorney in Washington DC as a named partner at her firm. Life is going exactly how she planned. The same cannot be said for her husband, Adam. he's a struggling writer who has had little success in his career and he tires of his and Sarah's relationship as she is constantly working. Out in the secluded woods at the Couple's Lakehouse, Adam engages in a passionate affair with Kelly Summers. But one morning, everything changes. Kelly is found brutally stabbed to death. And now Sarah must take on her hardest case yet defending her own husband, a man accused of murdering his mistress. Uh, the perfect marriage is the juicy twisting, utterly addictive thriller that will keep you turning pages. You won't see the ending coming, guaranteed. Can't wait. I'm really excited. Sounds so

Carrie 36:45

good. Sounds so good. I love thrillers as everybody knows, so I was excited that Christine picked one. Yeah, I'm really jacked up for it.

Kristine 36:52

So complete flip flip from, uh, this book.

Carrie 36:55

Yes. Which is fun. 'cause we, we need to mix it up, you know? Mm-hmm. Um, so this book is obviously our September book. The September book club episode will be September 24th, because it's always the last Sunday of the month. So September 24th will be the next episode. I'll be there. I will too. Perfect. Okay. You

Kristine 37:14

guys, it'd be really shitty, but I was talking about this book by myself. Right. Just you I'll bring the cardboard cut out. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I'll make it, talk to me. Okay. So that, that's our episode for today. I hope you guys enjoyed it. I hope you guys enjoyed the book and make sure you, uh, drop your responses from the questions. And, uh, bye. Boom. Bye bang. Have a good rest of

Carrie 37:36

your Sunday, you. Woo-hoo. We'll see you next week. Bye. Bye.

37:40

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