Kristine 0:08

Oh, hey, it's Christine. I poked that up already. Let's start. Let's start over. Okay.

Carrie 0:12

Okay. Oh, hey, it's Christine and it's Keri. We're best friends. And we are the owners of Lavender and Lace Boutique, an online women's boutique based out of Sherwood Park, Alberta. And we started a podcast just to hear ourselves talk. We really did. Yeah. So, uh, welcome to our second book club episode. Yes! We're so excited. So excited.

Kristine 0:34

This book was so

Carrie 0:36

good. So good. I loved it. I did too. Really easy to read. Yes. Like caught me from the beginning, which is always a big thing for me. Um, and I never felt like it was lagging. No. I really, really liked

Kristine 0:49

it. There was something happening. Every time I picked up my yes. It was very intriguing. It was

Carrie 0:55

really good. So if you didn't know the book that we were reading was called the perfect marriage by Geneva Rose and it was fantastic. I know we've said that I just I really enjoyed it. Christine and I actually just finished it. Yeah, I didn't want to read this book too early because I didn't want to forget parts of it when we wanted to talk about it. Agreed. Um, especially like names and stuff. I'm you. Like, once I go into a new book, the old book is like, she gone. Agreed, a hundred percent. She gone. Same with me. And the thing that I found the most interesting about this book is I thought it was someone different constantly. I was suspicious

Kristine 1:35

of every single character. Me too. And I'm not even talking about like the main ones. I'm talking about like the barista. Yeah. Like, everybody was suspicious to me. Everybody did something

Carrie 1:46

bad. Yeah. So I, I thought it was, so I thought it was Sarah first. Yeah. I was suspicious of her at the beginning and I'll get to why in a second, but I was, she was the one I was the most suspicious about at the beginning, but then they just started throwing more people in at you. Like then I thought maybe Adam actually did do it because like, where was the blood on his, how did he have no blood on him when he was laying right next to her? dead. Yes. You know, like we talked about last night, like, how did he not? It's funny because Christine and I talked about this book for a little, quite a while last night, but we hadn't finished it yet. Right. So it was, you know, yeah. And then, like Bob, once we found out he was the brother in law. That was wild. And then Anne, I thought it was her for a bit. I thought she was like in love with Sarah or something. Kate, that's

Kristine 2:36

where I was going to. I agree. I thought something was going sideways with that and it made sense to me that she would have, like, I don't know. It just, it made sense at that moment. Um, and then there was other characters that came into play like that, uh, Jesse Hook, like he was obsessed with, um, with Kelly. That one

Carrie 2:58

seemed too easy though. Yeah, but then I was like, but maybe. But maybe. Yeah,

Kristine 3:02

because no one knew of him and he was very sus with his burner phone and why did you have a burner phone if you're just yeah if you're just uh in love with this person why did you have some a phone that we can't get a hold of you on yeah you know what I mean like yeah why So there was, there was ways that it could have been him. Yeah, and then the sheriff. Oh my god. I... Well, he was so

Carrie 3:24

wishy washy. And I told you last night when we were walking, I'm like, he's the third DNA sample. Like I just felt it in my bones, which he was, but he still wasn't the murderer.

Kristine 3:32

Nope. He was just boinking her. Yeah. I

Carrie 3:37

mean, she, apparently she was boinking everybody. She was boinking everybody. And then, and then for a bit, I thought maybe it was Matthew. Yeah. For the same reason I thought of Anne. I thought maybe he was in love with Sarah and maybe he just,

Kristine 3:49

you know. Because he was, he's gay in the book. Yeah. And, and, uh, for quite some time, well, they did talk about it a lot, that he is, um, has a very close relationship with Sarah. And Adam was, little bit suspicious of him. Yeah. So I was like, this, this can make sense. Like being gay could be his beard and he's actually, actually secretly in love with Sarah. And like, you know, there's just some sort of coverage there. It made sense. All of these. Suspicions made sense. Oh, she

Carrie 4:22

made it so that you were suspicious of every single character. Every single one. She managed to make you suspicious of every single person in this book. 100%. But Sarah was my OG. And the reason being is because when I was reading about Sarah, I saw a lot of me in her. Yeah, okay. Like, her personality, her like, type A, her like, you know, her, Just a lot of things about her and I was like, there is no way this woman does not know her husband is cheating on her. There is just no way that you can be that way in your life and not know your husband is sleeping with someone else. Yeah. And so I was like, you know, like there's just to me, she's so observant. She's a lawyer. She's like, she's a criminal lawyer. Yeah. Her whole job is to decide if people are lying or not. Like, there's just no way. So, I just felt like she knew. And, wow. But it twists you. It did. It twisted it. It did, because I became suspicious of everybody. Yeah. And, the author did such an amazing job with the Sarah chapters, making you not. No

Kristine 5:32

making yes, you had no idea like the arguments between her and Bob and her and Kent her boss everything was so Solid there was no holes in the story at all And you know what shook me to the court like they're just jumping around to characters. There was nothing Hudson was very suspicious The entire time because he was kind of a dick and smug, but nothing came of him nothing. He's just a smug dick He was just there to throw you off. Yes, and he did. Yeah, and I felt very suspicious of Sarah at the very beginning because like you're really defending your husband at this moment Yeah, there's so many conflicts of interest in my opinion, but like you're doing it anyway But her story, going back to having no holes, it made me feel like she was just genuinely trying to do her job. Yeah. Because she is the best of the best. Yeah. So I was like, okay, you are the best of the best. Eleanor, the mom, went to other lawyers, said no, Sarah is the best of the best. This is it go with her. Yeah, and so I I really sided with that. Yeah, I was like you're right She is the best. Let's win this thing. But that's why she got away with it.

Carrie 6:48

Exactly She is the best. She is the best and I just loved that. Yeah, it was it was a really really good book And when I got to the 11 years later, yeah, and she went To see him in prison. I was like you did it. Yeah, you

Kristine 7:05

did it. You did it. You did it. You

Carrie 7:07

did it. Yeah. And then, you know, you kind of didn't find out right away. And she was saying goodbye to him. And then she gets out to the car and it's Bob fucking Bob fucking Bob. The whole time I was reading this book. I thought Bob was like this old fat man. Me too. Me too. 100 percent But I guess not Bob. Bob's

Kristine 7:25

her lover. Bob's she's into Bob. Good for you. And they have a daughter. Sure. Yeah. Okay. Summer. Yeah. Which was funny. I really liked, um, the way that she said to Adam, I know for a fact that you didn't kill her. And then I was like, you sly little girl. You did it, Yes. And like, that was crazy. The revenge factor on that was intense. Yes. Like, so intense. She

Carrie 7:56

spent eleven years waiting for him to die after she set him up. That's crazy. And I'm sure when she did it, she never expected him to get the death penalty because she would have no reason to know that Kelly was pregnant. No, and that's the only reason it became right because I'm execution because it was a double homicide It was a wild time. It was so

Kristine 8:17

good. I loved

Carrie 8:18

everything about it Yeah, and then I was like thinking about like that night. He came home after After she killed Kelly and he came home and she's like, let's make a baby. You never wanted to make it No, you just wanted to twist his mind. Yeah, she she was just playing that fucking game in the beginning. Yeah

Kristine 8:37

The whole time. Yeah. And I loved it. Yeah. When, later on though, I did have a question. It was a little bit of a, not a whole, but it didn't give me an answer or maybe I missed it. Um, later on she was sleeping at, she was in bed and then somebody came into the room. I think it was Bob. You think it was Bob? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Cause I thought it was Matthew. That's another thing that I thought, that's why, like, it could have been him. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was Bob. Now thinking back, yes, that makes a hundred

Carrie 9:09

percent sense. I'm Relationship is secret. He just came in in the night, did their thing, did their thing and he

Kristine 9:17

left. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Okay. I have a couple questions. You want to do a handful? Sure. A handful? Okay. Um, let's Okay, this is a kind of a Wild question. Sarah and Adam both had secrets they kept from each other. Is this unusual in a marriage? Is it ever okay to keep secrets in a lie when in a relationship? In general, what do you think the motive? What do you think motivates people to lie? Do you think the characters were lying to themselves? Oh, that's a good question.

Carrie 9:51

That is a good question. Um, Lies? No. No. I don't like that. No. I, I think that the only way to have a solid relationship is to have trust in each other. So as soon as you start lying, like lying, Yeah. I'm not saying, like, you go to McDonald's on lunch and you don't tell your husband that you bought McDonald's for lunch. I'm not talking about that. I know. I'm talking about lying. Big lies. No, I don't think you should be lying in your relationship.

Kristine 10:21

And, I know this says marriage, but I think a relationship, regardless of it, lying is not okay. No. And is it ever okay to keep secrets when in a relationship?

Carrie 10:35

Not necessarily. No, but I guess, so in her situation, she knew he was cheating on her. Right. And she, I'm not justifying getting your husband killed because he cheated on you, just to be clear. But um, he, she kept that secret from him because she wanted to set him up. Yeah. You know what I mean? So like, they had secrets from each other, But I think it started with him. Agreed. I think he started that. And then, you know, if you feel like your partner or whomever is lying to you, of course you're going to start to, like, be secretive.

Kristine 11:13

Yes. And her, her childhood was so dark. So dark. That I feel like she didn't know, she might know the difference between right and wrong because she's a lawyer. However, she, She doesn't know it for herself because of the way she

Carrie 11:27

lived. Yeah, and like, plot twist, she killed her mom.

Kristine 11:30

Yeah, that was nuts. Like, yeah, that was, that really took me for a ride there. I was like, you did what?

Carrie 11:37

Sorry? And like, when she was like, I just couldn't. Like I was working all my free time to try to like support my mom while she was just like an addict an addict like Not again. I'm not justifying murdering someone but I do I do see what yeah.

Kristine 11:56

Yeah. Yeah and then for the question of What do you think motivates people to lie? I think it's fear. Yeah, I think that's I think that's a big one. Yeah

Carrie 12:09

Yeah, fear is a big one Um, like Just not being happy and not, again, but that goes back to fear, not being happy and not being, like, willing to step up and be like, I'm not happy with this. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, he started cheating on her because obviously he was looking for something that they didn't have in their marriage. Agreed. But he just didn't have the balls to say, hey, I'm not happy.

Kristine 12:35

Yeah, they both did the exact same thing to each other and lived with it, which, It's a huge secret in itself, like it's wild. Yeah, yeah. And a huge lie. Yeah. Yeah, they just were not being honest with each other whatsoever. Um, how, oh no, I don't

Carrie 12:55

like that question. And it also interests me now that Bob and Sarah are like starting their life together and Like, they started their relationship, like, murdering someone. Right? Like,

Kristine 13:09

how bizarre. Oh, wow. And, and public arguments and fights in the office. Throw you off? And they did. They really threw me. And, like, I questioned, like, when did their relationship actually start? Like, you know, did it, you know, did it start because

Carrie 13:29

of it? It sounds like it. It sounded like it based on her explanation. Yeah, cuz it sounds like Bob cuz Bob was digging into Kelly right and then he found it by accident and I feel like that Like that

Kristine 13:43

was the kickoff. Yeah, was it before cuz like Anne would bitch about Bob, and Sarah would bitch about Bob, was it before or after? Did the bitching stop after?

Carrie 13:57

Maybe not. I mean, if I worked with my husband, I would probably still bitch about him to you. Oh, I do. Correct. So, you know, I don't think just because they were like together means that you're not going to bitch about someone. Fair enough. But it's so hard to

Kristine 14:11

say it's so it's so very hard to say Do you think Sarah's actions are justified?

Carrie 14:18

Murdering someone innocent to get back at your husband. No, no but revenge Of some sort? Yes.

Kristine 14:33

Yeah, because he, like, in the book, okay, so he wasn't a murderer, but he wasn't in the right. No. He was still wrong. He still did something very wrong. And so did she, obviously. Was it justified? No, definitely shouldn't have murdered him, but

Carrie 14:51

like it's not him that it's murdering. It's murdering

Kristine 14:54

Kelly Murdering Kelly and letting him die because of that. Yeah,

Carrie 14:58

but like murdering Kelly No, is like the first no.

Kristine 15:02

Yeah, I don't think it was justified

Carrie 15:05

in in the real world, no, no No. Absolutely not. No. Do you, do I think you should have some sort, some sort of revenge? Well, why not? Yeah. I mean, I'm a very, fairly vengeful person, so I'm, but like I would never murder someone or have my husband sentenced to

Kristine 15:21

death because of it. My, I think, well, I have never done it, but I feel like the most extreme thing I could ever do is maybe egg your house. Not yours specifically, but somebody. Yeah. Um. I know you have a camera, so you'd catch me. But you know, somebody, like, I feel like that's as far as I could go for revenge. Like, otherwise, it's a little, Sarah, you went a little crazy. You went a little crazy, but it was a really good read. Okay, were you more sympathetic between or towards Sarah or Adam and why? Sarah. Yeah, the whole time. So I hated Adam. Oh, he was so freaking wishy

Carrie 15:59

washy. I hated him. He was wishy washy. He was like, he's like completely opposite of anything I'm attracted to. So I had a very hard time relating to him. Yeah. He's like, he was very mope. He was very like, he, like we were talking about last night. He like was in bed with Kelly, decided he was leaving his wife for her. And then he went home and then he was like, Oh, you want to have a baby? I love you more now. Yeah. And then,

Kristine 16:25

and then let's throw in the reporter, Rebecca. He's like, you know what? I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. Everybody. I love you. He just didn't care. Like he just was one person. No. bothered him a little bit. So he's like, I'll go to the next person. And then he went to the next person. It was like, you were literally in the middle of a murder trial. Your girlfriend who you loved is dead. Your wife is pissed at you. She is your lawyer. And yet you're going to go after somebody else and you're just going to be kissing her for what? For what?

Carrie 16:58

So weird. What, what

Kristine 17:01

are you getting from this? It's so

Carrie 17:03

weird. It was bizarre. And like, I did, I definitely felt for Sarah. For me, um, when I was reading it with, um, with Adam, I was like, why are you, why are you letting Rebecca do this investigating for you and not trusting your wife? But shouldn't have trusted your wife because she wasn't really looking at your best interest at all. No, at

Kristine 17:26

all. No. She had a plan and she knew what was So

Carrie 17:29

obviously you knew something was up. Yeah. Mm hmm. But the whole time I was like, you're an idiot, but no, I guess he wasn't an idiot. He was, he was actually, uh, investigating because his wife actually was screwing him Trying to get

Kristine 17:41

rid of him. Yeah. That was wild. Um, if, is there anything that you would change about the story? If you could? Same. I really liked it. I would maybe, Eleanor really pissed me off, but now in the end, I'm I feel her judgment towards Sarah. Oh yeah? You know what I mean? Like, I feel like she knew Sarah wasn't, just not a good person. That's fair. But I, the way she treated Sarah, absolutely not acceptable. But I understand her judgment and her hesitation towards everything. That's fair. In the end. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. I, uh, She was a, see

Carrie 18:22

you next Tuesday. See, I didn't like her, but I liked her in the book. Like, I liked having her there. She definitely added. So no, I wouldn't change anything. I would maybe tone

Kristine 18:30

her down a bit, but then again, she was really important to the story and really made me think about, like, her, other people's perspectives of Sarah.

Carrie 18:39

Yeah,

Kristine 18:40

exactly. Um, let me see here. Do you, this is a little bit of a dark question, but do you think, do you truly think that Kelly was... being abused by her husband. Um, or was she a girl

Carrie 19:01

who cried wolf? I think she was a girl who cried wolf. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think she was at all. I thought it for maybe a bit, but then I realized that, um, everybody was under the influence of, like, Bob and Sarah. So, like, anything that was ever said, I just couldn't trust it. So, no, I do think she was a girl who cried wolf. Yeah, I agree. Because I'm pretty sure she, like, without a doubt, she murdered her first husband. Yes. I

Kristine 19:28

agree with that. And then she used like her magical ways to get Yeah, Scott her husband to help her and then yeah,

Carrie 19:38

and then she cheated on him, too Yeah, and the cycle just with like also with Sheriff Stevens. Yes, you know many people like potentially more That was just what was in her in her at one time. Yeah, like girl

Kristine 19:54

Breakfast, lunch, and dinner. You're

Carrie 19:55

fucking busy. Like, that's a busy day.

Kristine 19:58

That is a busy day. Breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Like, when do

Carrie 20:02

you eat? When do you get ready? No, I, right? Busy,

Kristine 20:05

busy. I guess they must have been really fast. Um, what, um, If you're rating it out of five, Carrie, what would you give it for yourself?

Carrie 20:17

Um, five. Yeah, I agree. I really liked it. Um, but I'm also a very generous, uh, I'm also a very generous book reader because I, I'm not one of those people, it's funny because I was reading this in one of my, um, book groups this morning, but I am not someone who rates a book based on, like, um, Like, literary points. You know what I mean? Like, I don't, I don't care if you're, you know, your book is lacking some, like, some character development or whatever. Like, I just enjoy a book because I enjoy a book. Yeah. So, for me, it was a five. Yeah,

Kristine 20:53

I loved it too. I'm also giving it a five, that one. I could probably read again, to be honest, because I feel like I would learn more about each character each time. Yep. Yeah, I loved it. Okay. So that was our September book. Again, that was the perfect marriage. Um,

Carrie 21:10

it was great. It was really good. So October. Yeah. So I am the one who's picking the next book, which I'm very excited about. I was torn whether I wanted to do, uh, like a romance again, or stick to kind of this thriller genre. And honestly, there's a book that I really want to read that's a thriller, so I picked it. Um, it's called None of This is True by Lisa Jewell. Um, it's a psychological thriller, which I'm really excited about. It's about a woman who finds herself the subject of her own popular true crime podcast. So this book looks fantastic. Really excited. Um, some of the reviews are like, I'm speechless after reading this bone chilling, dark, twisty, mind bending thriller. I love it.

Kristine 21:59

Yeah. I'm excited.

Carrie 22:00

Yeah. So I. I'm very excited to read it. Um, our episode for this club will be. The 29th of October. That's perfect. Yeah, that's when it'll be, uh, published on the old... Published, I like that. Um, so you guys have that month to read it. Don't worry, we'll be posting the book all over our socials so that you don't forget what it is and reminding you guys and all of that good stuff.

Kristine 22:30

Yeah, I love it. I'm very excited to read this book. Um, I think that's it. That's all, eh? I do. Okay, okay. All right, you guys have the best, uh, month and we'll talk to you soon. See you in a month. Okay. Okay, bye.

22:46

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